# SitePoint播客＃87：MeltSheep和FireRock

Episode 87 of The SitePoint Podcast is now available! This week your hosts are Patrick O’Keefe (@iFroggy), Stephan Segraves (@ssegraves), Brad Williams (@williamsba), and Kevin Yank (@sentience).

SitePoint Podcast的第87集现已发布！ 本周的主持人是Patrick O'Keefe( @iFroggy )，Stephan Segraves( @ssegraves )，Brad Williams( @williamsba )和Kevin Yank( @sentience )。

• SitePoint Podcast #87: MeltSheep and FireRock (MP3, 62.5MB, 1:08:13)

SitePoint播客＃87：MeltSheep和FireRock (MP3，62.5MB，1 :08: 13)

## 剧集摘要 (Episode Summary)

Here are the topics covered in this episode:

1. Microsoft: Silverlight is Just for Windows Phones

微软：Silverlight仅适用于Windows Phone
2. Cooks Source, the Web, and the Public Domain

Cooks Source，Web和公共领域
3. RockMelt: Another Attempt at the Social Browser

RockMelt：社交浏览器的另一种尝试
4. Firesheep and the Sudden Importance of SSL

Firesheep和SSL的突然重要性

Browse the full list of links referenced in the show at http://delicious.com/sitepointpodcast/87.

## 显示成绩单 (Show Transcript)

Kevin: November 12th, 2010. Copyright meets cooking, SSL becomes a big deal, and has Silverlight seen the light? I’m Kevin Yank and this is the SitePoint Podcast #87: MeltSheep and FireRock.

And welcome to another episode of the SitePoint Podcast, one of the top three podcasts of the year, or so it is said. I am joined by usual co-hosts; Patrick, Brad, Stephan, how’s it going?

Stephan: It’s going good.

Patrick: It’s going well.

Kevin: It’s going well. Patrick’s a bit under the weather today. Patrick, sorry to hear about that.

Patrick: That’s okay, I caught it through travel, how these things are usually caught.

Kevin: Ah, yeah, we’ll be treated to slightly more dulcet than usual tones from Patrick today. And our first story for the show today is to do with Microsoft Silverlight. I’m not sure we’ve ever actually talked about Silverlight on this show. Can any of you guys remember talking about Silverlight?

Patrick: I definitely remember talking about Flash. (laughs)

Brad: A lot of Flash; I don’t know that we’ve talked Silverlight though.

Kevin: Silverlight—Microsoft Flash I suppose you could call it. Have you installed the Microsoft Silverlight plugin in your browser, and if so what was it that made you install it? Because this seems to be like a story that every web developer has that, oh, you know, I didn’t want to install it but then one day I was forced to. What forced you to install Silverlight or are you still holding out?

Brad: Yeah, I have it installed, and for me I think it was what a lot of people with the Olympics, 2008 Summer Olympics, and basically Microsoft had the exclusive agreement with NBC that all of the online media would be streamed via Silverlight, and I think that kind of forced a lot of people. I was reading some stats, they were doing eight to ten million downloads of Silverlight a day throughout the Olympic event, so that really kind of put a spotlight on Silverlight especially for those that had never heard of it.

Patrick: I have it installed but I don’t have the faintest idea why that is.

Kevin: Stephan?

Stephan: Don’t have it, no.

Kevin: Don’t have it!

Stephan: Don’t have it.

Brad: I think companies, Microsoft and others, are starting to get smart about this and they’re realizing that Silverlight and Flash may not be the way of the future, and HTML5 really is. Like you said, Microsoft’s putting a big push behind Internet Explorer 9 and how well it works with HTML5, so they realize that this is where the industry is going, this is where it’s going to get. So if they don’t jump on early enough they’re going to get passed like they have in a lot of different areas and I especially don’t think they want that to happen on the Web. So I think it’s very smart of Microsoft to jump in early; if they have to change their strategy now would probably be the time to do it before it’s too late.

Kevin: Well, I suppose if a Summer Olympics doesn’t get you mass adoption nothing will.

The thing that finally got me to install Silverlight was we have a Microsoft Action Pack Subscription here at SitePoint, and if you’re not familiar with that, that’s this thing you can sign up for, last time I checked it’s roughly $700.00 a year. You sign up to Microsoft’s Partner Program and then you can pay this annual fee to part of the Microsoft Action Pack program, and that gives you a bunch of licenses to Microsoft software so you get roughly 10 Windows 7 licenses, 10 Microsoft Office licenses and access to whole bunch of support materials so that if you are selling or promoting Microsoft solutions to your customers or business partners you have all of these glossy sheets of paper describing all the different Microsoft products and that will help you I suppose be a better Microsoft business partner. For a business like SitePoint’s where we do a lot of client work and we are often asked about our opinions on Microsoft solutions it makes sense for us to have access to that, and to be honest 10 office licenses, 10 Windows licenses, there are much more expensive ways to get those things than pay for an Action Pack license so that’s what we do. But lately Microsoft is requiring anyone who subscribes or renews to an Action Pack to take an online course on the Microsoft Partner Program website and then pass a test proving that you absorbed the knowledge of that course. And the course I decided to take was about WPF, Windows Presentation Foundation, and specifically the APIs that are inside of Silverlight. And so in order to view those materials, in order to take that test, it was all done in Silverlight and so I needed to install it for that. I don’t think I’ve needed it for anything off of a Microsoft domain; I suppose maybe I was not as much of an Olympics fan as you Brad. 最终让我安装Silverlight的是，我们在SitePoint上有一个Microsoft Action Pack订阅，如果您不熟悉该功能，则可以注册该东西，上次我检查的费用约为每年700.00美元。 您注册了Microsoft的合作伙伴计划，然后您可以将该年费支付给Microsoft Action Pack计划的一部分，这将为您提供一堆Microsoft软件许可证，因此您大约可以获得10个Windows 7许可证，10个Microsoft Office许可证和访问权限到一整套支持材料，以便如果您向客户或业务合作伙伴销售或推广Microsoft解决方案，那么您将拥有所有描述所有不同Microsoft产品的光面纸，这将对您有所帮助，我想是一个更好的Microsoft业务合作伙伴。 对于像SitePoint这样的公司，我们需要做大量的客户工作，并且经常有人问我们对Microsoft解决方案的意见，因此我们可以访问它，说实话，有10个Office许可证，10个Windows许可证，这很有意义。比购买Action Pack许可更昂贵的方式来获得这些东西，这就是我们要做的。 但是最近，Microsoft要求订阅或续订Action Pack的任何人都必须在Microsoft合作伙伴计划网站上参加在线课程，然后通过测试证明您吸收了该课程的知识。 我决定参加的课程是有关WPF，Windows Presentation Foundation，特别是Silverlight内部的API。 因此，为了查看这些材料并进行测试，这些工作都是在Silverlight中完成的，因此我需要为此进行安装。 我认为我不需要Microsoft域以外的任何东西； 我想也许我不像你布拉德那样热衷于奥运会。 Brad: Yeah, I mean it’s tough because most people out there have Flash, it’s what, 99% adopted or something like that, and Silverlight isn’t anywhere near that, so it’s definitely tough; if you’re going to build an application you want to build it in a technology that’s going to be used by the most amount of people that you can possibly have. So, to build it on something that only 20%, I don’t know the number, 20, 30% have installed seems kind of silly; you would probably want to do it in Flash and then maybe also offer a Silverlight version which wouldn’t make a lot of sense either, so I mean I can certainly see why it hasn’t really been adopted. 布拉德：是的，我的意思是说这很艰难，因为那里的大多数人都拥有Flash，99％的用户采用了Flash或类似的东西，而Silverlight却远不及Flash，所以这确实很艰难。 如果您要构建应用程序，则希望以一种可能会拥有尽可能多的人使用的技术来构建它。 因此，仅以20％的价格构建它，我不知道20、30％的安装数量似乎很愚蠢； 您可能想要在Flash中进行操作，然后还提供一个Silverlight版本，该版本也没有太大意义，所以我的意思是我可以肯定为什么它并未真正被采用。 Kevin: There’s barely room for Flash on the Web these days let alone Flash and a competitor. But certainly from developers who embraced Flash wholeheartedly I’m sure you’d hear a lot of good things about the technology, I certainly heard that playing video and doing really intense multimedia sort of stuff was more efficient, less CPU intensive on Silverlight than it was on Flash. So, I suppose it was built more recently, it probably has less of a legacy to maintain, but as nice a technology as Silverlight was maybe there just wasn’t the demand for it or the place for it. According to the poll on SitePoint’s home page, which I think it has one day to go, the poll asks, “Is Microsoft Silverlight dead?” and the results are: 10% say it’s dead; 17% say it’s definitely not dead; 22% say it won’t live long; and 51% say it was never alive to begin with. So there you go. 凯文：这些天来，Flash在网络上几乎没有空间了，更不用说Flash和竞争对手了。 但是可以肯定的是，从全心全意地拥抱Flash的开发人员那里，我相信您会听到很多关于该技术的好消息，我当然听说过，播放视频和做一些真正的多媒体工作比使用Silverlight效率更高，CPU占用更少在Flash上​​。 因此，我想它是较新制造的，可能没有多少遗产可以维护，但是像Silverlight一样好的技术也许根本就不需要它或它的位置。 根据SitePoint主页上的民意调查(我认为还有一天)，民意调查询问：“ Microsoft Silverlight死了吗？” 结果是：10％说它已经死了； 17％的人说这肯定没有死； 22％的人说它不会长寿； 51％的人说它从一开始就不存在。 所以你去了。 Patrick: This is our audience. (Laughter) 帕特里克：这是我们的听众。 (笑声) Brad: Ouch. 布拉德：哎呀。 Kevin: Moving on! We’re going to talk about a spectacular case, and if you’ve been online for the past week I suppose you probably couldn’t have escaped hearing about it, right Patrick? 凯文：继续前进！ 我们将要讨论一个非常壮观的案例，如果您过去一周一直在线，我想您可能无法逃避此事，对吗，帕特里克？ Patrick: Right. So, Jonathan Bailey at Plagiarism Today has a detailed report on what’s being referred to as the Cooks Source Plagiarism Case. Essentially Cooks Source is a free newspaper type magazine that focuses on food in Western New England of the United States. Author Monica Gaudio found that one of her articles had been included in the latest issue of the magazine, in full, and was attributed to her but her permission had not been asked for. So, she reached out to the publication and she called them on the phone, she sent them a note on their website and she asked them what happened, how they did get the article, maybe this is some sort of mix-up. After a couple of emails the editor from the magazine asked her what did she want, she said that she would like an apology on Facebook, a printed apology in the magazine and a$130.00 donation which is about ten cents per word of her original article to be given to the Columbia School of Journalism.

Stephan: So for our Mac users I have a little application, it's \$9.99, called Contents , it's from fuelcollective.com, and it basically looks at all your apps, everything that you have on your computer, and if you have it in your Library it can tell you where it is, if you need to delete something and install something it'll uninstall it; it's kind of like a catchall program for if you need to install something, if you need to uninstall something, if you want to clean up something, backup things, it's a cool little well-designed application. I started using it because my computer's getting kind of old and I needed to clean up things that I haven't used in a long time and I was having a hard time finding stuff, just ran this and it told me all the stuff that I haven't been using and started deleting things, so it's been useful.

Kevin: Yeah, there’s a few utilities in this area on the Mac, like it’s easy to sell the simplicity of installing apps on the Mac just by dragging their icon onto your desktop or into your Applications folder, that’s all there is to installing an app, it’s so simple anyone can do it, and when you want to uninstall it you just drag that app to the trash, that’s all there is to it, right? There’s no step two. But, yeah, what is left unsaid is that all of the support files these apps create stay around and so there are all sorts of tools, uninstallers, that automatically clean things up when you remove apps. I use one called Hazel that lets you set all sorts of rules on your folders to clean up or move files around or run scripts on files based on different conditions. And one of the things it does is detect when you delete an app and offer to clean up the files from your Library folder, but it costs a lot more than this Contents, and this Contents tool does a lot more as well, it’s really cool. One of the things that impressed me was this backup feature, Stephan.

Kevin: Yeah, there's a few utilities in this area on the Mac, like it's easy to sell the simplicity of installing apps on the Mac just by dragging their icon onto your desktop or into your Applications folder, that's all there is to installing an app, it's so simple anyone can do it, and when you want to uninstall it you just drag that app to the trash, that's all there is to it, right? There's no step two. But, yeah, what is left unsaid is that all of the support files these apps create stay around and so there are all sorts of tools, uninstallers, that automatically clean things up when you remove apps. I use one called Hazel that lets you set all sorts of rules on your folders to clean up or move files around or run scripts on files based on different conditions. And one of the things it does is detect when you delete an app and offer to clean up the files from your Library folder, but it costs a lot more than this Contents, and this Contents tool does a lot more as well, it's really cool. One of the things that impressed me was this backup feature, Stephan.

Kevin: Yeah, or your settings. If you want to uninstall an app and throw away its settings or get it off your computer you can still keep a backup of those if you change your mind later on, it’s pretty neat.

Kevin: Yeah, or your settings. If you want to uninstall an app and throw away its settings or get it off your computer you can still keep a backup of those if you change your mind later on, it's pretty neat.

Stephan: Yeah, it’s a cool little tool, and I’ve really liked it so far so I’m happy with it.

Stephan: Yeah, it's a cool little tool, and I've really liked it so far so I'm happy with it.

Kevin: Thanks. Patrick?

Kevin: Thanks. Patrick?

Patrick: Well, as usual you guys have all well-on topic spotlights, and as usual I don’t.

Patrick: Well, as usual you guys have all well-on topic spotlights, and as usual I don't.

Kevin: This is why I save you for last, Patrick, because you break the monotony.

Kevin: This is why I save you for last, Patrick, because you break the monotony.

Patrick: Well, thank you, Kevin. I can’t top Back to the Future, but my spotlight this week is called Freezer Burns, freezerburns.com, it is the Internet’s only frozen food review show. It is on episode 381 now…

Patrick: Well, thank you, Kevin. I can't top Back to the Future, but my spotlight this week is called Freezer Burns , freezerburns.com, it is the Internet's only frozen food review show. It is on episode 381 now…

Kevin: Wow!

Patrick: …and the host is Gregory Ng, I met Greg a few times and we’ve shared a panel together and chatted online and he’s a great guy and does a great job on this video show, and if you like frozen food or just like to be entertained it’s a great, well-produced show. He’s doing great things with web video in general, and if you’re interested in kind of the web video space, not just entertainment in general, which is enough to watch the show, it’s worthwhile to check it out just for that alone to see how he’s building his audience in this space and how he goes about cultivating what is a very popular video show. So I enjoy it and he just recently held a 24 hour live episode of the show to benefit Movember…

Patrick: …and the host is Gregory Ng, I met Greg a few times and we've shared a panel together and chatted online and he's a great guy and does a great job on this video show, and if you like frozen food or just like to be entertained it's a great, well-produced show. He's doing great things with web video in general, and if you're interested in kind of the web video space, not just entertainment in general, which is enough to watch the show, it's worthwhile to check it out just for that alone to see how he's building his audience in this space and how he goes about cultivating what is a very popular video show. So I enjoy it and he just recently held a 24 hour live episode of the show to benefit Movember…

Kevin: Hhhwow!

Kevin: Hhhwow!

Patrick: …which is a charity or an effort to donate money for prostate cancer, and so, yeah, definitely check it out, freezerburns.com, even if you don’t like frozen food.

Patrick: …which is a charity or an effort to donate money for prostate cancer, and so, yeah, definitely check it out, freezerburns.com, even if you don't like frozen food.

Kevin: He’s a great example of picking a niche, and if you can really own a niche, the Internet will provide an audience.

Kevin: He's a great example of picking a niche, and if you can really own a niche, the Internet will provide an audience.

Patrick: Yeah, definitely. And something he’s said that’s interesting to me and I’ve learned from if I ever do start a video show of some kind is that when he came out he said he wanted to do it five days a week for like a year and a half at least, and so he recorded all these shows in the can. The reason he wanted to do that was if anyone else saw him doing the show and thought, oh, that’s a great idea, I want to do that, they’d see he does it every day five days a week and be scared off of competing with him or jumping into that niche themselves. And like I said, 381 episodes, almost 10,000 feed subscribers later he’s been really successful.

Kevin: Smart strategy. And that brings the show to an end, a marathon show once again. Guys, I think we’re just finding too much to talk about, the Web is just too exciting a place for once every two weeks it seems.

Kevin: Smart strategy. And that brings the show to an end, a marathon show once again. Guys, I think we're just finding too much to talk about, the Web is just too exciting a place for once every two weeks it seems.

You can follow me on Twitter @sentience and SitePoint @sitepointdotcom, Visit us at sitepoint.com/podcast to leave comments on this show and to subscribe to get every show automatically. The SitePoint podcast is produced by Carl Longnecker and I’m Kevin Yank. Thanks for listening. Bye.

You can follow me on Twitter @sentience and SitePoint @sitepointdotcom , Visit us at sitepoint.com/podcast to leave comments on this show and to subscribe to get every show automatically. The SitePoint podcast is produced by Carl Longnecker and I'm Kevin Yank. 谢谢收听。 再见

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