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| masterhe 评分 5 回复此评论 修改评论 发表新评论
| 中国虫 | 2002-7-24 | | 说得很正确。只是只有到我们这个层次才明白,所以等于白说。就象少壮不努力,老大徒伤悲这两句一样,说得正确,听得几乎没有。 | <script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript"> function g2M(para) { parent.location="view_comment.asp?"+para; return true; } </script>
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| 不是程序员的错 回复此评论 修改评论 发表新评论
| 沈** | 2002-9-29 | | 说得没错,但是中国的老板跟外国的老板一样吗?不一样!中国的公司会定期的给每个程序员去培训吗?不会!只有有专业的老板才会有才会容得下更多专业的程序员,别说自己不力不从心,实在是没有一个好的气氛又怎么能学好东西呢? | <script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript"> function g2M(para) { parent.location="view_comment.asp?"+para; return true; } </script>
| 楼主兄弟, 我不知道你有多了不起 回复此评论 修改评论 发表新评论
| jcl | 2002-10-3 | | 楼主兄弟, 我不知道你有多了不起,你开发了哪些了不起的软件,难道开发出了软件就牛吗?你何不问问在中国是老板累还是打工的累,是老板赚的钱多还是打工的赚的钱多,有人说中国的程序员先是为了生存再为了做软件,中国程序员的生存条件如何你知道吗?有些人刚解决温饱问题,还没奔到小康就想着做什么了不起的软件,你可知道此时当老板的都已是腰有亿万了,为谁做软件?为老板赚钱做还是为了自己奔小康,中国有多少软件公司的老板敢说:兄弟姐妹们,来吧,为了我们一起奔小康,努力吧,让我们有了小康后再给老百姓多做几个好的软件. 跳槽也是为了生存,换了你你会跳得更快! | <script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript"> function g2M(para) { parent.location="view_comment.asp?"+para; return true; } </script>
| 楼主兄弟, 我不知道你有多了不起 回复此评论 修改评论 发表新评论
| jcl | 2002-10-3 | | 楼主兄弟, 我不知道你有多了不起,你开发了哪些了不起的软件,难道开发出了软件就牛吗?你何不问问在中国是老板累还是打工的累,是老板赚的钱多还是打工的赚的钱多,有人说中国的程序员先是为了生存再为了做软件,中国程序员的生存条件如何你知道吗?有些人刚解决温饱问题,还没奔到小康就想着做什么了不起的软件,你可知道此时当老板的都已是腰有亿万了,为谁做软件?为老板赚钱做还是为了自己奔小康,中国有多少软件公司的老板敢说:兄弟姐妹们,来吧,为了我们一起奔小康,努力吧,让我们有了小康后再给老百姓多做几个好的软件. 跳槽也是为了生存,换了你你会跳得更快! | <script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript"> function g2M(para) { parent.location="view_comment.asp?"+para; return true; } </script>
| 我先悔过,我以前和他(作者)一样, 回复此评论 修改评论 发表新评论
| erpcn | 2002-10-4 | | 你是挺牛的,怎么怎么样了,是吧!干几年,赚了点钱,就觉得自己走对路了,是吧,就敢在这里评论中国的程序员了,洋奴才,从洋媚外,跑这来装来了,来装成功人士来了是吧!你跌过几次跟头呀!我不对你人,我就事论事,我就觉得你再装!做人要怎样?我们这些人就你知道!你很傲,现实中你是什么样我不知道,单说做人,你凭什么这么讲话!程序员多了,吃的苦你都没听过!什么人成功你可能都没见过吧,要不怎么没学到点什么呢?现在还在教育别人,好为人师,人和人相处,没有谁比谁高,你凭什么拿自己的标准要求别人,你再成功我也看不上你!如果你是个汉子,就认个错,在这里来个悔过书,说说自己走过的弯路,我就服你了!
我先悔过,我以前和他(作者)一样,在很多老板的帮助下,在很多同事的点拨下,我现在已悔过自新,我看到了光明,我知道人行天地间要懂天道,行人事!我会努力的! 尊重别人就是尊重自己! 不拿自己的眼光来看别人! 不拿自己的标准要求别人! 用自己的努力成果来证明自己! 先做完在说!
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| come from csdn.net 回复此评论 修改评论 发表新评论
| erpcn | 2002-10-4 | | 一个人能作出什么东西来呢?如果仅仅因为作出了一点自己的东西就觉得牛的话,好像太虚荣的一点, 这难道就是楼主反省之后的结果吗? | <script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript"> function g2M(para) { parent.location="view_comment.asp?"+para; return true; } </script>
| come from csdn.net 评分 3 回复此评论 修改评论 发表新评论
| 1995 | 2002-10-4 | | csdn.net f190(2002-10-4 4:49:36)
“中国大部分程序员”的通病?老兄,我请问你,中国现在有多少程序员
你见到了多少个?怎么个大部分?
“我在国外的一个朋友说”,说什么啊。
要是你那个在国外的朋友说,国外的程序员过了25岁就集体自杀,你也会这样要求中国的程序员吧?
你自己出来看看,然后再拿出自己的观点也不迟。
国外并非天堂 建议你多学习,少看好莱坞电影
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| 作者目光短浅,思想简单 评分 1 回复此评论 修改评论 发表新评论
| 祝工 | 2002-10-4 | | 说白了中国企业的管理水平太差,用人机制太差,人才开发培养工作没好好做,如果说程序员上班时间没有创造财富,那为何一到外资企业或国外旧会发挥出来。
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| 作者目光短浅,思想简单 评分 1 回复此评论 修改评论 发表新评论
| 祝工 | 2002-10-4 | | 说白了中国企业的管理水平太差,用人机制太差,人才开发培养工作没好好做,如果说程序员上班时间没有创造财富,那为何一到外资企业或国外旧会发挥出来。
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| 作者目光短浅,思想简单 评分 1 回复此评论 修改评论 发表新评论
| 祝工 | 2002-10-4 | | 说白了中国企业的管理水平太差,用人机制太差,人才开发培养工作没好好做,如果说程序员上班时间没有创造财富,那为何一到外资企业或国外旧会发挥出来。
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| 作者目光短浅,思想简单 评分 1 回复此评论 修改评论 发表新评论
| 祝工 | 2002-10-4 | | 说白了中国企业的管理水平太差,用人机制太差,人才开发培养工作没好好做,如果说程序员上班时间没有创造财富,那为何一到外资企业或国外旧会发挥出来。
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| 祝工 | 2002-10-4 | | 说白了中国企业的管理水平太差,用人机制太差,人才开发培养工作没好好做,如果说程序员上班时间没有创造财富,那为何一到外资企业或国外旧会发挥出来。
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| 祝工 | 2002-10-4 | | 说白了中国企业的管理水平太差,用人机制太差,人才开发培养工作没好好做,如果说程序员上班时间没有创造财富,那为何一到外资企业或国外旧会发挥出来。
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| 祝工 | 2002-10-4 | | 说白了中国企业的管理水平太差,用人机制太差,人才开发培养工作没好好做,如果说程序员上班时间没有创造财富,那为何一到外资企业或国外旧会发挥出来。
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| What you said is just inversed with what I knew 评分 3 回复此评论 修改评论 发表新评论
| Kenny | 2005-12-24 | | Sorry for the english, I don't have any softwares in my computer that allow me to input chinese.
I have been working in a leading software company of china for 2 years, now I am working in a software company of Australia. I have been here for more than 1 years.
According my experience, I think what you said here is just inversed with the fact.
According my experience, I think Chinese programmer understand something pretty deeply, but usually not very broadly. Chinese programmer (including myself) usually have very good mathematical background (possibly the best of the world I believe, thanks for the Gaokao. I have been a mathematical tutor of a univeristy here and hence have the chance to know how the mathematical background of the people here), which enables them to understand the programing very deeply. But the univeristies of china usually teach very little knowledge to the students according my experience. I never see a heavy book used during my 4 years undergraduate study as the books used here in Australia, even though, the professors don't teach the whole book, they just pick several chapters and the students can not learn all the corresponding knowledge, though they understand quite deeply to the selected chapters.
That is just my experience and is just the experience I made in Australia. I have several India and German colleagues. Comparing with all these people, I believe actually china is full of excellent programmers.
But maybe there are problems with chinese programmer, again ,according my own experience.
When I was in china, I was requested to finish some documents relating with designing or developing. But I never really took these things seriously, I just did something very simple and actually useless to meet the requests from manager. And most or maybe all of my colleagues at that time are just like me, they also never took these things seriously. For us, the most important thing is finish the coding. But actually writing some documents is very very important, every programmer should take some time to do it and should take it serously. My India and German colleagues now did very well in writing these documents, they write them very detail, describe each classes and methods detailly. Although I did better in coding (my boss always think I am smart, hehe... :), but I can not write as good documents as my colleagues did, which made lots troubles when later you want to modify or improve the old coding. after several months, even myself have already forgot what exactly each pieces of code is used for.
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